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This is an interesting conversation, and the participants are well-meaning. But how do we think about Palestinian rights in the face of an Israeli populace who are intercepting food and water delivery to Gaza, who rampage through the West Bank without interference and who call for the extermination of Palestinians. These are not people interested in peace but rather only genocide. Yes, many people in Israel reject this horrible mindset but most seem to support it. So the question is not whether there can be an independent Palestinian state but rather how can Israel survive as a country.

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Yes, theorizing about the outcome did not address the great emergency going on right now. I am not there on the ground but I think there are rational, decent people on both sides and more Israelis are waking up as they are losing and failing in al their goals, and not getting the hostages back, and of course extremists on both sides. How Israel can survive I think is entirely new leadership that has nothing to do with those who created this mess, who are destroying Israel.

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I hope you are correct, but this is from today's Mondoweiss:

"The kibbutzniks blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza

Complicity in genocide is not confined to the Israeli right. Members of the liberal organization that spearheaded the anti-Netanyahu protests last year are now blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza."

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/06/the-kibbutzniks-who-are-blocking-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/

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That's terrible news. I trust Mondoweiss. They are going berserk.

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