Thank you, Diane, for being receptive to comments .. I think in a different world with trustworthy systems, that are not captured agencies doing the bidding of some psychopaths at the top, fitting everything possible into their agendas, the idea of natural immunity pass could make sense, for reasons you say .. But in this world, I don't see any way it won't be exploited. I agree natural immunity should be recognized and respected, of course .. but passes of any sort will be misused ... And I think Vitamin D awareness and testing should be much more widespread, but not mandatory testing. That too is a slippery slope in the current system ... Giving out treatment packs instead of just masks and tests (!??!!?), which would not be mandatory to take but encouraged with real, rooted information, would Nip Covid in the Butt, if anything could at this point! Thank you for your wonderful, deep writing!
You are very welcome. Much appreciated. Maybe there is a third way. I think smoke detectors are required and do not seem oppressive or a slippery slope. I think the words "pass" and "mandate" are charged, as is the word "vaccine" as I have written about and mean different things. More later, getting ready for company before and after the march tomorrow.
No passes for health.....if this made sense, why not include the FLU too...there is a reason this is a HORRIBLE IDEA....how about for AIDS....why no passports then? NEVER NEVER = yellow stars
Thanks. The idea has problems which is why I asked for feedback. However, people with Natural immunity are part fo the solution and can help people who are sick and vulnerable. Maybe there is a third way.
Thanks for taking the criticism...I guess its the Ojibwa in me...or the French...or the Romany...or the American (kinny-kin as I said as a child...I am kinny-kin...)...
I just hate anything to have to prove my legitamacy....but due to your bravery in the subject I will share with you one story that showed me that I am maybe cut from a different cloth than some....
At one point our teacher decided we would adopt some sort of Sirname, such as Great or The Good or Lady Such and such...we could choose, and everyone had to call us by that. Well, by about the 3rd day I decided not to return to school, as it for some reason greatly angered me to have to call (say) Kevin now Sir Kevin, etc. When the teacher saw that I had obviously boycotted school because of my dislike of the new system, he relented. I have never been very sheep-able since. Troublesome girl to most.
I love your story. Thanks for sharing. With Desmet's model of 30%, 40% 25 - 20% critical thinkers, people are wondering about the psychology of us critical thinkers. immune to propaganda. I will write about that. Years ago I as interviewing people with moral courage and they had childhood stories like that. More on that later - but good for you!! I am tired from the DC March and company.
I ultimately agree with you. However, making people prove their status only buys into the governments’ plans to get everybody into some sort of system where they can be surveyed, controlled, and manipulated.
I am still trying to learn about Omicron bypassing NI. 2 people I know with natural immunity also got J & J shots and then Omicron. Also Omicron is the first virus to mutate during a mass :vaccination" campaign which causes immune pressure unlike any before in history. It is also possible people with natural immunity have a lower rate of infection and milder cases - but I don't know for sure and welcome any information.
Thank you for your article, but I have to admit that the title made me cringe. The proper phrase is to nip in the bud, not the butt. I’m sorry, but your daughter misheard and misused the phrase. It comes from gardening. If you nip a bud of a plant, you stop it from blooming. If you bite someone in the rear end, it is just rude. Enough people think we don’t know anything about science. Let’s not make them think we don’t know about the English language, either.
Thanks for responding. We know what nip it in the bud means. My daughter was an organic farmer. And Cvid is no longer the bud. We mean to kick covid in the butt - like on its way out.
Thanks for your response. I’d still recommend using a different phrase. I have heard people use “nip it in the butt” unintentionally, and it is always irritating. We don’t need to sound less intelligent than we are.
Well taken. I am also having problems with the phrase "Pass." If we called it Natural Immunity Exemption people might be more accepting but some people don't want any distinction at all. It's different to identify a group as an asset who are part of the solution and who can safely serve the vulnerable than to identify a group for negative reasons.
Yes, I tend to agree with those who don’t feel we should need any sort of exemption or pass. There just shouldn’t be mandates, and my personal medical decisions should be mine. However, if there are going to be mandates, I’d certainly like natural immunity to be recognized, and it would be nice if my insurance could pay for the T cell test the same way it will pay for the pcr test. And I see your point about this being a group who could safely serve vulnerable groups. Maybe if they were called the natural immunity heroes, or stars, or something positive. But to be honest, the people who were praised as heroes last year are now losing their jobs and being called selfish lunatics, so I wouldn’t blame them for being a little hesitant to sign up for hero status again.
Medicare covered my T-Cell test, which came out negative - to my disappointment. Natural immunity should be recognized as a biological reality and universal safe to be around. Thanks
My younger daughter's T-Cell test was not covered, It was $189 which I paid unsuccessfully hoping it would be useful against her coercion to get the shot required by massive social pressure. Her antibodies were negative, Her T-Cell was positive.
This article feels good, but there are two major problems with it. First, the pandemic has never been about health. The vaccines serve some hidden agenda which is clearly not public health. This is why natural immunity is treated solely as an obstacle blocking universal vaccination.
Making this doubly sad, what you wrote had been true, but only up through the Delta variant. I've read a series of posts making it clear that Omicron has escaped not only vaccine immunity, but also natural immunity. e.g.: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068
I understand and agree with your first point. After I wrote Natural Immunity Denial Disorder I became aware that Omicron bypassed N.I. - but a few things about that, although it may be soon to know all. This does not invalidate the centuries of knowledge about NI - because this is the first virus ever to exist in the context of mass quaxination which created an entirely new environment. Also, I believe those naturally immune have a lower rate of infection and more mild symptoms, based on a very small sample. Time will tell.
Yes, I have seen that. People I respect like Jeremy Hammond and Meryl Nass think there is a virus. Also thanks for being the only positive feedback so far, but I also welcome the criticisms which are very valid.
I appreciate the negative and positive feedback and take it seriously. It is a dilemmas people with natural immunity can be helpful. I will rethink.
Thank you, Diane, for being receptive to comments .. I think in a different world with trustworthy systems, that are not captured agencies doing the bidding of some psychopaths at the top, fitting everything possible into their agendas, the idea of natural immunity pass could make sense, for reasons you say .. But in this world, I don't see any way it won't be exploited. I agree natural immunity should be recognized and respected, of course .. but passes of any sort will be misused ... And I think Vitamin D awareness and testing should be much more widespread, but not mandatory testing. That too is a slippery slope in the current system ... Giving out treatment packs instead of just masks and tests (!??!!?), which would not be mandatory to take but encouraged with real, rooted information, would Nip Covid in the Butt, if anything could at this point! Thank you for your wonderful, deep writing!
You are very welcome. Much appreciated. Maybe there is a third way. I think smoke detectors are required and do not seem oppressive or a slippery slope. I think the words "pass" and "mandate" are charged, as is the word "vaccine" as I have written about and mean different things. More later, getting ready for company before and after the march tomorrow.
No passes for health.....if this made sense, why not include the FLU too...there is a reason this is a HORRIBLE IDEA....how about for AIDS....why no passports then? NEVER NEVER = yellow stars
Thanks. The idea has problems which is why I asked for feedback. However, people with Natural immunity are part fo the solution and can help people who are sick and vulnerable. Maybe there is a third way.
Thanks for taking the criticism...I guess its the Ojibwa in me...or the French...or the Romany...or the American (kinny-kin as I said as a child...I am kinny-kin...)...
I just hate anything to have to prove my legitamacy....but due to your bravery in the subject I will share with you one story that showed me that I am maybe cut from a different cloth than some....
At one point our teacher decided we would adopt some sort of Sirname, such as Great or The Good or Lady Such and such...we could choose, and everyone had to call us by that. Well, by about the 3rd day I decided not to return to school, as it for some reason greatly angered me to have to call (say) Kevin now Sir Kevin, etc. When the teacher saw that I had obviously boycotted school because of my dislike of the new system, he relented. I have never been very sheep-able since. Troublesome girl to most.
I love your story. Thanks for sharing. With Desmet's model of 30%, 40% 25 - 20% critical thinkers, people are wondering about the psychology of us critical thinkers. immune to propaganda. I will write about that. Years ago I as interviewing people with moral courage and they had childhood stories like that. More on that later - but good for you!! I am tired from the DC March and company.
this was 6th grade Detroit Michigan 1975ish
I don't want any passes.
Even the passport system was only supposed to be for world war 1, then they used the Spanish 'flu' to extend it indefinitely.
Anyway, how will they verify this immunity? One day they can claim you don't have it anymore.
Thanks for the criticism. Natural immunity is likely for life - as it was for the 1918 flu an the 2004 H1N1. I will keep thinking it through
I just added a Post Post Publication Note inserted - in the text with examples Tell me how you would solve them.
I ultimately agree with you. However, making people prove their status only buys into the governments’ plans to get everybody into some sort of system where they can be surveyed, controlled, and manipulated.
Understood, it's complicated.
It was official public health (stupid) statements about natural immunity that started me down the skeptical road.
However, aren't there quite a lot of reports that people are getting omicron who previously recovered from earlier variants?
I am still trying to learn about Omicron bypassing NI. 2 people I know with natural immunity also got J & J shots and then Omicron. Also Omicron is the first virus to mutate during a mass :vaccination" campaign which causes immune pressure unlike any before in history. It is also possible people with natural immunity have a lower rate of infection and milder cases - but I don't know for sure and welcome any information.
Thank you for your article, but I have to admit that the title made me cringe. The proper phrase is to nip in the bud, not the butt. I’m sorry, but your daughter misheard and misused the phrase. It comes from gardening. If you nip a bud of a plant, you stop it from blooming. If you bite someone in the rear end, it is just rude. Enough people think we don’t know anything about science. Let’s not make them think we don’t know about the English language, either.
Thanks for responding. We know what nip it in the bud means. My daughter was an organic farmer. And Cvid is no longer the bud. We mean to kick covid in the butt - like on its way out.
Thanks for your response. I’d still recommend using a different phrase. I have heard people use “nip it in the butt” unintentionally, and it is always irritating. We don’t need to sound less intelligent than we are.
Well taken. I am also having problems with the phrase "Pass." If we called it Natural Immunity Exemption people might be more accepting but some people don't want any distinction at all. It's different to identify a group as an asset who are part of the solution and who can safely serve the vulnerable than to identify a group for negative reasons.
Yes, I tend to agree with those who don’t feel we should need any sort of exemption or pass. There just shouldn’t be mandates, and my personal medical decisions should be mine. However, if there are going to be mandates, I’d certainly like natural immunity to be recognized, and it would be nice if my insurance could pay for the T cell test the same way it will pay for the pcr test. And I see your point about this being a group who could safely serve vulnerable groups. Maybe if they were called the natural immunity heroes, or stars, or something positive. But to be honest, the people who were praised as heroes last year are now losing their jobs and being called selfish lunatics, so I wouldn’t blame them for being a little hesitant to sign up for hero status again.
Medicare covered my T-Cell test, which came out negative - to my disappointment. Natural immunity should be recognized as a biological reality and universal safe to be around. Thanks
My younger daughter's T-Cell test was not covered, It was $189 which I paid unsuccessfully hoping it would be useful against her coercion to get the shot required by massive social pressure. Her antibodies were negative, Her T-Cell was positive.
A homonym nipped Diane in the butt!
Very funny. See comment above. We meant it intentionally.
This article feels good, but there are two major problems with it. First, the pandemic has never been about health. The vaccines serve some hidden agenda which is clearly not public health. This is why natural immunity is treated solely as an obstacle blocking universal vaccination.
Making this doubly sad, what you wrote had been true, but only up through the Delta variant. I've read a series of posts making it clear that Omicron has escaped not only vaccine immunity, but also natural immunity. e.g.: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068
I understand and agree with your first point. After I wrote Natural Immunity Denial Disorder I became aware that Omicron bypassed N.I. - but a few things about that, although it may be soon to know all. This does not invalidate the centuries of knowledge about NI - because this is the first virus ever to exist in the context of mass quaxination which created an entirely new environment. Also, I believe those naturally immune have a lower rate of infection and more mild symptoms, based on a very small sample. Time will tell.
Thanks. I will "brief" my pen pal the NSW Australia Health Minister on your article.
What does NSW mean? Thanks
The State of New South Wales in Australia. However, I've named it New South Wuhan.
LOL
Yes, I have seen that. People I respect like Jeremy Hammond and Meryl Nass think there is a virus. Also thanks for being the only positive feedback so far, but I also welcome the criticisms which are very valid.